The way for heat pipes to fail is either catastrophic breach or fabrication error. New York, [–]Atmosphere91 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). Thank God, no. You plug it and it's now working. Also not everyone really hears pump noise, some one might not hear anything but I hear that really piercing high pitch always. [–]UlrikHD 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). Also theres chance of pump failure & leaks. TL; DW, liquid is slightly better per dollar and per normalized noise than air. And now this man just ended Linus' career, [–]kryish 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago (2 children), [+]Naekyr comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points 9 months ago (1 child), it's a meme/joke "I'm about to end this whole man's career" Please refresh the page and try again. CPU Cooling benchmarks: Compare two products side-by-side or see a cascading list of product ratings along with our annotations. [–]-protonsandneutrons- 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). No worries. Maybe a topic for another video. I got inpatient waiting for the GN review, and I ended up switching from an EVGA CLC 360 to the Arctic 360 about a month ago. Read:  be quiet! If you’re tight on budget, you will have to go for an air CPU cooler. We'll only revisit really that video card and the counterexample if there's some dramatic failure because you don't typically, as a user or as someone in media, really go back to talk about something if it's "Well, it's been in a system and it's working fine." I think this is the only reason I am going to keep sticking with AIO solutions for now. 140mm fan running without odd noises for 10 years especially in a high on/off cycle environment, is most impressive. [–]wankthisway 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), [–]-protonsandneutrons- 29 points30 points31 points 9 months ago* (13 children), "Extreme permeation" is expected at 6+ years, not 3-5 years, noted by GN. [–]hst12 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (1 child). I don't think there's any way I'll swap my Dark Rock Pro 4 for any AIOs. Information like that should be listed in a review like this. *Fractal uses their lowest tier Dynamic GP fans instead of their only decent Venturi HP fans, beQuiet uses bottom of the barrel Pure Wings instead of Silent Wings, NZXT and EVGA have garbage fans in general. This is why I went for an AIO. [–]RuinousRubric[] 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago (0 children). My pump has got really loud over time, sounds like air in the AIO but performance has remained the same. [–]-protonsandneutrons- 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago* (0 children). Once people install a thing, they expect it to work. Supercritical is a state halfway between liquid and gas. I guess a lot of ppl dont have that knowledge, [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago (0 children). Corsair Hydro Series H60. Guess I'm woefully versed in water cooling, [–]pakeco 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (1 child). Before we even get into the pros and cons of both liquid CPU coolers and air CPU coolers, first we need to discuss some factors you’ll need to consider before you can determine which style cooler is right for you. Air coolers, on the other hand, rely on a nearby higher-flow case fan to avoid re-ingesting their own exhaust or warming other components. Liquid cooling also makes your PC run quieter because you won’t have fans constantly running at a high RPM. Thank you for signing up to Tom's Hardware. [–]Cable_Salad -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago (0 children). Asking if a heatpipe fails is...well, it's kind of like asking "any data on the failure rate of cases"? [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (1 child). Yeah it’s why I don’t really build in mainstream desktop cases anymore. What dramatic clock difference do you see by 5 C more at 60 C ? Should be stated that gunk builds up on the insides of liquid coolers. Wish they would do a test replacing the fans on the aio with the a12x25. [–]hst12 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (3 children). thanks. Just one more question. You will receive a verification email shortly. I think /u/wankthisway is talking about CLCs; the Aurora 280 is an AIO (i.e,. I thought you said that AIOs can't change components. As far as I can tell, it's entirely superficial, so not a huge issue. Never took it apart for a new build, only changed my paste 2 times. EKWaterblocks A water … RAM temps also typically benefit. If I didn't miss anything, the X62 and X72 are at least $50 more expensive than the NH-15. I've not been able to find the cooling capacity on these coolers. There are primarily two types of cooling systems available, including air cooling and liquid cooling. Liquid cooling offers cooling specific components. Or maybe two: gosh are their sentences convoluted… and for people priding themselves on being rigorous, scientific method minded, the number of innuendos and half blanket statement are staggering. Report: AMD Chip Shortage Caused by Packaging Issues, PlayStation 5, Lenovo publishes IdeaPad 5 Pro AMD Datasheets, confirming Ryzen 5000 CPU numbers under embargo until January 12, 2021 at 12 pm EST, (Digitimes) ABF substrate shortages may dent 2021 shipments of new CPU, GPU chips, Bloomberg | Intel Talks With TSMC, Samsung to Outsource Some Chip Production. Huge heatsinks also look cool as hell. I swapped my EVGA GTX960 SSC (it has one of the best air coolers in the GPU world) for a water cooled EVGA GTX 1080. [–]buildzoid 56 points57 points58 points 9 months ago (4 children), [–]jtm94 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (3 children). Anything can fail, but will you even notice? No submissions to crowdfunding sites or ongoing campaigns. [–]WhatsInaKirth 40 points41 points42 points 9 months ago (1 child). Basically, you need to position the AIO such that the highest point of the radiator is higher than all of the tubing and the pump block itself. Yeah I hate how a lot of cases limit their usefulness in order to be a couple of cm smaller. With products like the FUMA around, I have to wonder if AiOs (especially larger 240mm or 360mm models) make sense at all outside of itx builds (or hobbyists wanting supreme performance). I'd be interested to see statistics on AIO & fans failure rates, like there are for hard drives. [–]MlNDB0MB 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago (0 children). You know what, that's probably true. [–]Pro-Evil_Operations 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago* (0 children). So yeah, your CPU would be cooled a lot better but the thing that's likely impacting your game performance most (the GPU) will be hotter and slower, edit: consider that today's GPUs are very much thermally limited, they are automatically clocked as high as the drivers think they can go depending on how hot they are. Images submitted as self posts must include an informative description for context. Read: Cooler Master MasterAir MA410M review, Dimensions: 171.45 x 151.4 x 52.3mm | Base Height: 25.1mm | Weight: 36.5oz (1035g) | Fans: (1) 140 x 25mm | Socket Support: AMD TR4, SP3 | Warranty: 6 years. But be quiet! You guys are slipping. [–]some_craic_dealer 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (2 children). 2%). The person that did the testing on there is now doing fan testing for TechPowerUp, which is nice, but gone are the neat comparison graphs and instead, bar charts are used. Neither as cool nor as quiet as Noctua's NH-U14S, the Artice Freezer 50 TR got our attention for its lower price. Still better than nothing though. [–]Isiam 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). So you don't violate the asetek pump block patent. For one, I don't have a need and can't justify spending more than 50€ on a cooler and CLCs at that pricepoint are garbage. Discussion[GN]Liquid Cooling vs. Air Cooling Benchmark In-Depth (NH-D15, NZXT X62, & More) (youtu.be), [–]kryish 84 points85 points86 points 9 months ago (10 children). If your post asks a question about a specific product or need, it probably belongs elsewhere. The most important aspect of a cooling system is its heat dissipation capacity, which CPU makers express as Watts TDP. Remember, the sintering application process itself only works at 800 C in a copper heat pipe. And even then, it's hardly 1 bin, i.e., 4.6 GHz vs 4.5 GHz (i.e,. The Impractical but Indisputable Rise of Retrocomputing (Featuring LGR). With slightly better cooling and slightly lower noise than the above Arctic model, Noctua's NH-U12A becomes the premium choice for buyers who aren't afraid to pay big dollars for small gains. The Pure Rock 2 represents the same passion around thermal design, silent operation and manufacturing / build quality that has made be quiet! This one is pretty clear-cut. One of my builds has a the NH-D14 running for about 10 years, on 3 new systems now. As in how many watts of energy it can dissipate or cool, etc. Both are AIOs ("all in one"). [–]87gsodfybsdfhvgbkdfh -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 months ago (0 children). The value advantage could be important to current builders hoping to save money by using AMD's previous generation 2000-series parts. I imagine at that kind of heat output (i.e., pinning a 240/280/360 CLC at 90 C is extreme), then the air coolers would fall further behind (10 C to 15 C worse). Say 5 hour gaming session with fans at max. In fact he says so around 4:50. [–]spazdep 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). Well but in an AIO, you can't really easily drain water or replace a pump though right? It's perfect for that, but with the emphasis on these cases with full tempered glass side panels so you can see the internals, the Noctua just is not as appealing because it is so big it kind of blocks the view of everything. Where are the Hyper 212 and the like? Best Threadripper Cooler Alternative: Arctic Freezer 50TR. My friend got an X62, broke within a year and he’s had an air cooler since. Intel CPUs flat out don't care and a 25 to 50 Mhz boost difference on Ryzen might be measurable, but is still functionally equivalent. [–]-Y0- 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). I can replace a failing/ticking fan on an air cooler (and might even improve the characteristics depending on the model), good luck getting a pump replaced in an AIO out of warranty. AIO cooling is a form of liquid cooling where it contains pressurized coolant inside of the loop. Per dollar? Same with liquid coolers. So we don't make videos talking about how all of our test benches and all of our production systems have been using liquid coolers since basically forever. No need to buy anything else. [–]jarkum 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children). Even more amazing is that it does so with roughly the same noise profile, making the Scythe Fuma a fearsome offering in that it doesn't sacrifice a low-noise operation for its exceptional price-to-performance ratio. [–]PyroKnight 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). Either they want to believe it's a higher failure rate because they have some bias or they're exposed to more media, even including ours, talking about unit failures more than unit successes. I'd rather go with air cooling, something like a 50€ Scythe Fuma 2 is already more than you need in a setup like that. Might come in the future. I feel better having direct airflow on the VRM, which tower-style coolers don't provide. All the parts are included. Best SSDs But, no windows on this case here, so it didn't look that bad. [–]Blacky-Noir 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), That's probably the single realistic advantage of liquid cooling here for most pc users, and it's not covered in the video :(, [–]Atemu12 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (2 children), Yeah I whish I could do that on my air cooler, [–]Seniruh 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (1 child). Recently we compared 10 of the best CPU air coolers and we've since wondered how these would fare against a water cooling setup. [–]VenditatioDelendaEst 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (5 children). Why would you care if your max. That's highly dependent on the economic situation of the person and its usage. [–]GeneticsGuy 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). The last thing I want is pumps failing and liquid leaking. [–]Aggrokid 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). However, liquid cooling a PC can also be dangerous if water leaks onto hardware. Yeah but instead of replacing a couple of dead fans, you face with some fans, a pump, and coolant gunking up or evaporates. [–]Luxurious_Foam 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (1 child). It is the belief of many that liquid coolers are better at managing the temperatures of your processor, but this isn’t always the case. [–]Seanspeed 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago (0 children), [–]fey168 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). Making the case ambient temperature a few degrees warmer makes your GPU a few degrees warmer. [–]aSc4rYGh0sT 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago (4 children). By that logic, a CPU cooler is also adding airflow restrictions. Best Motherboards Then noise normalization becomes more fair and we can get a better idea into how these coolers operate with similar airflow characteristics. Feels like most people don’t know this and then complain about extreme amounts of pump noise that shouldn’t exist when used properly. Better fans will help a lot in a real use scenario. For most people a £50 and an extra £100+ to put towards the GPU is going to be the better option. [–]bitch_fitching 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]some_craic_dealer 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (4 children). Test Results, Wrap up: Water vs. Air. Max. I enjoy building in sff because it’s fun to figure out how to achieve the best temps. I think it goes custom loop > tower > AIO in aesthetics, for me. biggest takeaway from this video for me is the arctic aio review is being worked on. $68/yr is a NH-D15 every year and a half, or the difference between a 2060 and a 2070 Super if you upgrade every 3 years. As hardware enthusiasts, we’re often faced with some sort of compromise when decisions must be made around the purchase of specific components, although the Pure Rock 2 keeps those to a minimum. At that point it isn't longer a fair comparison though. Not really, but if you're overclocking, then a CPU that keeps you at 89C while stress testing is better than one that keeps you at 94C, imo. Some notable lifecycle tests (from a company that makes heatpipes, so take your grains of salt): https://www.1-act.com/high-temperature-water-heat-pipe-life-tests-150c-to-300c/, https://www.1-act.com/process-control-life-tests/, [–]Master_Mura 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago (0 children). The extreme cases like stock cooler vs $100 cooler, sure, but the ~15C range from any half decent cooler to the best cooler hardly matters in any overclocking except for VERY extreme cases. Liquid cooling vs Air cooling: Price. but the one that I have if they can be changed. if true. But no. Can't even imagine why this important fact is entirely omitted from the article... Err where are the cooling performance comparisons.. is this an opinion or marketing piece? Air cooling vs. What is typically not mentioned but is my main reason for using AIO is that it makes the initial build and subsequent modification easier. The 10% rule is enforced on /r/hardware; repeat offenders and/or your website or channel may be banned. And the GPU is the bottleneck most of the time anyway, so using a CLC cooler on the CPU with the fans blowing into the case is suboptimal as well, [–]edernlg 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (1 child). Or bring attention to it. Visit our corporate site. Someone needs to develop supercritical fluid cooling so we can hate on both sides. [–]overdark33 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). Liquid coolers are popular for a few reasons: performance, wow-factor, and noise level. I assume if its just CPU temp and you can fit 360 - then yes. I'm tired of transcribing, but he goes onto to say there are more failure points than just the pump: you've got permeation, corrosion if the wrong metals, percentage of glycol, etc. I replaced it because I didn’t have AM4 mounting hardware, and I knew it was probably about worn out. That's not really content. 150 C of water, inside an otherwise vacuum, means nothing to a sintered copper heatpipe. Most likely explanation is that the GPU was allowed to self-regulate its clock frequency to take advantage of however much thermal headroom was available. A cpu will run the same whether at 20C or ~85C, so I don't see how it really matters. If you can keep your GPU cool, it will automatically be faster even if you've never changed a single setting, [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), i wanna see some real testing with the thermalright true spirit 140 power. It's doing what every product should do, which is continue to work under circumstances for which it was built. Offering performance so close to Noctua's flagship is nothing to scoff at. In the 40 dba chart the best clc was 10 C cooler than the D15, would love to see how much further that can go. Good air coolers are typically a large cube right in the middle of everything and tends to block access to RAM and motherboard headers. I.e. Again, the liquid cooled GPU did not have to run the fans on 100% and yet it remained cool and the stable overclock brought a 20% increase in performance. BTW have you seen this Bitwit video about radiator placement? No, I mean, all the testing is done on open test benches where the fans on the AIO only have to push the air through the rad. The "hot" air coming off a front mounted AIO is nowhere near the CPU temperature when the system is under load - typically it's only a few degrees above ambient temperature. Also, my 1080ti is over here at like 45c under full load, so that's pretty nice. Why? Enough bloatware everywhere, esp. Best Power Supplies. Nothing too surprising. [–]FinBenton 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]GreenPylons 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago (1 child). Copper is pretty inert so the boiling water shouldn't be an issue but in sintered designs you are looking at a significant surface area over thousands of hours. [–]dewey95m 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (0 children), Still no tests with the esports 34 duo, underrated, [–]MlNDB0MB 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago (1 child). Sizes: 120mm. It's not very often an entry level cooler impresses me as much as the Scythe Fuma has. Here are the best CPU cooler solutions (air and liquid/AIO) for a range of systems, from small form-factor builds to overclocked big-rigs. I'm glad to hear it. If you want something firmly reliable and with limited points of failure, an air cooler is obviously going to—well, in most instances—be that product. http://thermalbench.com/category/fans/ and http://www.coolingtechnique.com/recensioni/air-cooling/ventole.html are both sadly inactive sites, but they did a lot of fan testing with a good methodology. 95c to 89c is the difference between throttling and not on a 9900k. Overall, for this mini-ITX case (9" by 9" by 4.25" / 23cm x 23cm x 11cm), there was no way to adequately cool a i5-8600K quietly without liquid cooling and I'm not spending $150 on a silly custom loop. Is there any data on the failure rate of heat tubes? It would be nice to see stats on how much cooling each one provides. [–]Luxurious_Foam 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago* (4 children). Things like the Corsair H100 are examples of these, So that Aurora allows you to swap stuff out. But then again I'm not overclocking anymore. ;) Depending on the needs - you pick what suits you best. ', 'How much is _____ worth?' This fans also never spin at 100%. There was a problem. [–]wankthisway 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). Ya, so I have 2 computer builds. I reach 49c on my 1080 Ti with a Morpheus cooler and two ML120 fans. The amazing thing about it is if the fans ever die, I can swap them out so easily. I think in the long term I am going to get the most value from the Noctua. How in the hell did they get CPU temperatures above 75°C with a GPU-bound benchmark from 2009? maybe see if these AIO can be even better without better fans. I use an H80i V2 (49mm rad + 2x120mm) because 1) it was on sale for $60 and 2) a properly sized CPU heatsink (an i5-8600K) would've tipped over my 9" tall case, lmao. It's always good to know stuff like this. Liquid cooling? The cheapest AIO liquid cooling setups can cost as much as the best air coolers on the market. [–]-protonsandneutrons- 15 points16 points17 points 9 months ago (0 children). As far as I know heat pipes don't fail. Now with AIO models with replaceable parts, it's more accurate to call only these newer replaceable part liquid cooling packages as "AIOs" and all the old stuff should be "AIO CLCs". Their results are incredibly weird. This includes tech support and PC building questions. And heat cycling only affects things outside the heatpipe, things the heatpipe is connected to: nothing changes about a heatpipe's functionality when it's 40.0048 cm vs 40.0000 cm. I've been using it for about 1.5 years. A year ago Linus the twat he is put out a video saying AIO are useless and everyone should use AIR. Thank you! However, it’s relatively expensive. The Enermax Liqtech 240 TR4 unit will make for a more suitable air vs. liquid comparison versus the Noctua NH-U14S TR4 unit and, although liquid is … Comparably priced AIOs in the table seemed to perform equally. [–]wankthisway 53 points54 points55 points 9 months ago (70 children). ;), [–]ASuarezMascareno 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (6 children). I keep the massive bulky noctua on my dedicated server tucked away. Other factors to keep in mind include aesthetics an… For more on how these can perform (and how good they look), check out our Mirror Maze build feature. It's a third of the price of the big Noctua, certainly not a third of the performance, so including them would seem critical to any analysis. I had to replace the fans about a year ago. The thing that pushes me away from AIOs is the maintenance / lifespan of them. In the GN video they say some of the 3x12mm AIOs have issues creating enough static pressure to move the air trough the radiator. AIO coolers are getting more affordable, while high-end air coolers reach toward the $100 range. My only issue with it is that the tubes are extremely stiff, and 1 of them has a crack in it. [–]anexanhume 74 points75 points76 points 9 months ago (82 children). You want the best CPU cooler you can get, whether you’re aiming for  world-record overclocks or just a PC that doesn’t get loud under load. In any way. Do NOT editorialize the title of the submission (minor changes for clarity may be acceptable). I think these coolers won't have just a 5 C difference across the entire range, honestly. Did you watch a different video? The Pros and Cons of Liquid Cooling a CPU. TL; DW, liquid is slightly better per dollar and per normalized noise than air. The Cooler Master MasterAir MA410M is our pick for an excellent performing mid-size air cooler, especially considering the aggressively designed exterior shell and the inclusion of addressable RGB lighting from within the cooling tower itself. Both equally as quiet, imo. Former is easier to avoid and latter is indistinguishable from poor performance. Nothing about "hot water" is going to touch a metallic bond. [+]87gsodfybsdfhvgbkdfh comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 9 months ago (1 child). [–]DerHeftigeDruck 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). Best PC Cases Or get the problem fixed. Nothing new happened with the 8K benchmarks. Compatible … And we don't really talk about some of the high-end units that we have in development on test benches haven't failed in six to eight years. They did not, but they did make a video quite some time ago where they were showing some testing procedure development. People just think it's common because of confirmation bias. Problem with this is that it is not always possible. [–]iopq 39 points40 points41 points 9 months ago (37 children), [–]Gaffots 33 points34 points35 points 9 months ago (35 children). But...how is a radiator adding "further airflow restrictions"? The performance will look a lot worse than it did in this testing. Over the last few years I've noticed a lot of cases just miss out on top mounting radiator compatibility for the sake of a few mm. Air Cooling vs. A Ryzen 3700X has 88W PPT at stock and the lowest GN test is 123W with differences already being miniscule. You could throw the same fans on the air cooler too for that comparison. [–]Kpofasho87 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), If buildzoid says that honestly that's good enough for me. there is replacement of all the pieces, You can setup your CLC such that it always gets fresh outside air, like I said, but then you're dumping the CPU heat into the case which raises the GPU's intake temps. Would the ranking change much depending on the type of case? Rendered by PID 20535 on r2-app-064eb071d180ac51a at 2021-01-09 04:10:17.472428+00:00 running d8cca48 country code: IT. [GN]Liquid Cooling vs. Air Cooling Benchmark In-Depth (NH-D15, NZXT X62, & More), http://www.coolingtechnique.com/recensioni/air-cooling/ventole.html, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAMxZgvves. If they're good and in a good build, AIO CLCs work well. No self-edtiorialized titles, just copy the title of the site, with the exception of clickbait titles. Arctic AIO's would be at the top of my list too if it wasn't for their poor warranty period and the lack of coverage for part damage in said warranty. We’re going to talk about liquid cooling vs air cooling: how they work, the pros and cons of each, and which might be right for your setup. The best air cooler vs. the best liquid cooler – analyzed, benchmarked, noise and temperatures tested, and final winner(s?) Then again I am personally using a 280mm for overclocks and it's really quiet with proper fans. Can't have high on off cycles if you never turn off your pc. It also does that if you mount the radiator on the exhaust, though. But I've not seen 3-5 years for every AIO as some "blanket" rule. Thats plasma. If your existing cooler can’t keep your chip’s heat under control, that could mean slower performance and / or a shorter lifespan for your precious processor, and no one wants that. The NZXT Kraken X62 is an AIO CLC (closed liquid cooler); that's like the iMac. Saying they don't fail is a bit strong of a statement. I got the 360 AIO cooler, it works like a charm. The air cooled GPU hit 80°C again, while the water cooled GPU was half that “hot”. 120mm water coolers are comparable to regular air cooling, while a 240mm will generally outperform air. Ah damn, these even more terminology I'm missing I guess. and 'How long until (something obvious) happens?' [–]ASuarezMascareno 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (4 children). The whole point with aio is that it you get some bonuses of open loop cooling with the same ease of installment that air coolers offer. They do. Liquid Cooling. Turns out it's usually the pump that just meekly dies out first. All of these suck from static pressure POV. The absolute last thing you want is your CPU overheating, as this can lead to permanent damage to the entire system. This includes both posts and comments. Is a cooler that keeps the cpu at 60C really better than a cooler that keeps it at 65C at the same noise level? [–]manesag 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), I’ve had my X61 since 2016, no issue at all. Nice. You, young PC Padawan, are now a desktop Jedi. In a lot of sff cases like the ncase, ghost, or smxxx you can achieve this pretty well. The one unexpected positive: because you can mount the AIO anywhere, I mounted it outside the case so the entire case is cold to the touch now (no GPU): intake is "the ambient room air" and it exhausts into "the ambient room air". As exhaust, they send the CPU heat straight out. 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